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[LW] Dragonsong
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From:Poland
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posted May 23, 2001 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for [LW] Dragonsong   Click Here to Email [LW] Dragonsong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On Saturday I will fight with my 33rd level Necro against a 48th level Amazon. As far as I know it has a bow 60-300 dmg a high level Valkyrie and a bunch of other nasty skills. My Necro has an Giant Axe 110-230 dmg, 4th lvl Bone Spear, 4th lvl Curse, Corpse Explosion and Life Tap, and 1st lvl Poison Nova, out of the skills I plan to use. Also, I'll be summoning sceletons, golems and Revived to provide cover for me in case of Guided Arrows. I'm also counting on the fact that the Amazon's skill points are diffused between Bow and Spear. Any other helpful hints you can give me? I especially would like some advice on how to best approach her.

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-Axiom-
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posted May 23, 2001 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for -Axiom-   Click Here to Email -Axiom-     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just kill her.

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[LW] Dragonsong
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posted May 23, 2001 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for [LW] Dragonsong   Click Here to Email [LW] Dragonsong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gee, thanks a pantsfull Axiom, I bet it will work

I'm not asking what to do, I'm asking how to do it

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BooGiTyBoY
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posted May 23, 2001 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BooGiTyBoY   Click Here to Email BooGiTyBoY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure on that one bro.. best thing to do is hit her as fast as you can. Im sure his/her damage cant be over 400 with bonuses unless guided or strafe is way crack high in levels. The valkrie isnt a problem as she's probably gonna run straight for your minnies. Another thing to be careful of is the fact that with a high level of strafe or multi they can take out all those "cover" minnies right quick. Bone spear is a goodie alright i highly reccomend unless you have that other one.. umm.. i forget what it is.. the little glowin skelly one. As far as golems go i wouldnt go with a blood or iron. Blood is gonna mess ya up with all the arrow hits he's gonna take and thorns from an iron arent gonna do poop against a bow. Life tap also sounds like a goodie too. I guess like i said b4 i would hit em as hard and fast as i can as they are most likely gonna target yer minions first.
but thats just my opinion

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BooGiTyBoY
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posted May 23, 2001 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BooGiTyBoY   Click Here to Email BooGiTyBoY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh yeah.. thats also coming from a 31st level necro/55th level amazon player

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[LW] Dragonsong
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posted May 24, 2001 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for [LW] Dragonsong   Click Here to Email [LW] Dragonsong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thnx Boogity

Actually I'm planning to use the Fire Golem and hope that he will be able to get to the Amazon before he dies (when he dies, causes massive Corpse Explosion damage). The other skill you're reffering to is Bone Spirit. They're no, good. Even a 2nd lvl Bone Spear outmatches it in damage and furthermore, an Amazon can easily outrun it (Although she won't be able to shoot at me while I'm running).

BTW, I've found out that the Amazon has 9th lvl Pierce. Any way no to get hit you know of (I don't have Bone Shield)?

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Old Grendel
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posted May 27, 2001 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Old Grendel   Click Here to Email Old Grendel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No matter what, Necros will ALWAYS lose against bowazons unless it is a very laggy day (when it's laggy, often times bone spirits will be invisible so we can't see them).

I've got a level 75 bowazon made for duelling. The only classes I ever lose to are sometimes other amazons, and rarely ever speed barbs. No one else even gets close.

Do not use necros for duelling. Here's why:

1.) Your Giant Axe will do no damage to her. Want to know why? Because YOU WILL NOT GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO HER TO USE IT. You will be dead way before.

2.) Bone Spear, HA! You have to aim with it to actually hit. It doesn't guide automatically. You'll never get close enough to her to accuratly fire bone spears, seeing as you will be dead.

3.) Corpse Explosion? What good does it do when there are no corpses around?

4.) Life Tap.. This is something to do with life leeching, but I'm pretty sure it leeches the damage you do to your opponent.. Not sure though..

5.) Poison Nova. Again, you won't get close enough for her to use it, on top of the fact it doesn't actually KILL players (it'll bring them down to 1 health, but it can't kill them).

Summoning creatures to protect against Guided Arrow is the only smart thing you can do. However, it won't work. Want to know why? Multishot! Another great skill where you don't have to aim (well, not much. Just shoot in the general direction of the red circle on the radar). It'll hit you, your minions and everything else. With penetrate it's even better seeing as the arrows will go through your minions and hit you. All good zons have Penetrate, BTW.

Sorry to say, but the only way to duel a 'zon as a necro is to play in laggy conditions and spam bone spirits.

There's no other way for you to win.

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Old Grendel
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posted May 27, 2001 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Old Grendel   Click Here to Email Old Grendel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by [LW] Dragonsong:
thnx Boogity

Actually I'm planning to use the Fire Golem and hope that he will be able to get to the Amazon before he dies (when he dies, causes massive Corpse Explosion damage). The other skill you're reffering to is Bone Spirit. They're no, good. Even a 2nd lvl Bone Spear outmatches it in damage and furthermore, an Amazon can easily outrun it (Although she won't be able to shoot at me while I'm running).



You're wrong. Bone spirit is worthless for duelling, seeing as it does not lock onto the amazon. One way I've seen necros do it (although I've enver seen it work an on amazon), is to use Decrepify (the skill that slows down the enemy) and spam bone spirits. That way they can't outrun them. The problem is decrepify only lasts about 2 seconds and they're free to run fast again..

You can't win, I'm sorry.

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[LW] Dragonsong
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posted May 28, 2001 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for [LW] Dragonsong   Click Here to Email [LW] Dragonsong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Old Grendel:
No matter what, Necros will ALWAYS lose against bowazons unless it is a very laggy day (when it's laggy, often times bone spirits will be invisible so we can't see them).

I've got a level 75 bowazon made for duelling. The only classes I ever lose to are sometimes other amazons, and rarely ever speed barbs. No one else even gets close.

Do not use necros for duelling. Here's why:

1.) Your Giant Axe will do no damage to her. Want to know why? Because YOU WILL NOT GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO HER TO USE IT. You will be dead way before.

2.) Bone Spear, HA! You have to aim with it to actually hit. It doesn't guide automatically. You'll never get close enough to her to accuratly fire bone spears, seeing as you will be dead.

3.) Corpse Explosion? What good does it do when there are no corpses around?

4.) Life Tap.. This is something to do with life leeching, but I'm pretty sure it leeches the damage you do to your opponent.. Not sure though..

5.) Poison Nova. Again, you won't get close enough for her to use it, on top of the fact it doesn't actually KILL players (it'll bring them down to 1 health, but it can't kill them).

Summoning creatures to protect against Guided Arrow is the only smart thing you can do. However, it won't work. Want to know why? Multishot! Another great skill where you don't have to aim (well, not much. Just shoot in the general direction of the red circle on the radar). It'll hit you, your minions and everything else. With penetrate it's even better seeing as the arrows will go through your minions and hit you. All good zons have Penetrate, BTW.

Sorry to say, but the only way to duel a 'zon as a necro is to play in laggy conditions and spam bone spirits.

There's no other way for you to win.


OK, I played and I lost.

But...

1) I DID get close enough to her a couple of times, but it was no good cause she either got away, or I missed (since my chance to hit is about 64%)

2) You don't know how many times I DID actually hit her (especially when she was busy shooting guided arrows a me) with the Bone Spear. The only problem appeared when she used Slow Missles on me

3) There were a couple of corpses. it's hard to make a duel where both sides use summoned creatures and run all around the whole map, and not to run into some creatures which get killed off not to get bothersome

4)True. Didn't work well for me though because of the axe

5)Again, I did get close enough. She had a pretty high poison resistance though

And finally:
Her Multiple Arrows SUCKED and mostly she used guided. The only minion I summoned was a Fire Golem (who fought with the Valkyrie all the time). And, the lag worked against me (although I played over LAN) because often she would be a screen away from me, and then suddenly appear right in front of me.

And do you want to know how I lost? Well, her bow could do shit to me, but the other day she found a really good pike. Jab...

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